I really do not understand why, in this day and time, there are some people that are still hung up on the issue of East Bankers vs. West Bankers. I’m talking about a comment I received yesterday by someone calling themselves "Fairfax Boy." Here is Fairfax Boy’s contribution to the discussion about Amman’s urban development.
Palestinians built Amman from the ground up. you East Bankers have a lot to learn.
Will we ever evolve beyond this endless and pointless argument? Geez!
ÙˆÙÙŠ نقطة مهمة Øكاها
ÙEast bank
انو ليش ما بتذكر الاثار السلبية من وراء مجىء الÙلسطنين الى الاردن؟
لو عديت هاي الاثار لكان Ø§ØµØ¨Ø Ø§Ù„Ùلسطنيون معول هدم للاردن
من بعض هاي الاثار
*الازمة المائة الØادة ÙÙŠ الاردن ,واللي الاردن بنÙÙ‚ 15% من ميزانيتو على مشاريع المياه ولو لم ياتي الÙلسطنيون Ù„Ø§ØµØ¨Ø Ø¹Ù†Ø¯ الاردن Ùائض مائي
* اسنهلاك موارد البلد , صØÙŠØ Ø§Ù†Ùˆ الاردن Ùقير بموارده ولكن هاي الموارد تكÙÙŠ وتزيد للشعب لو لم ياتي الÙلسطنين , وبكÙÙŠ اقلك انو Ù…ØاÙظة اربد كانت على الدوام تجد صعوبة ÙÙŠ تصري٠مØاصيل Ø§Ù„Ù‚Ù…Ø ÙˆØ§Ù„Ø¨Ù‚ÙˆÙ„ÙŠØ§Øª لانها زائدة عن الØاجة والاستهلاك ولذلك كان يذهبون لبيعها ÙÙŠ سوريا ÙˆÙلسطين وبقيوا كذلك Øتى الاربيعينات
*الضغط على الخدمات العامة Ùƒ التعليم والصØØ© والشوارع…
*البطالة
*الاثار الاجتماعية و الجرائم اللي اكبر مصدر الها المخيمات
* ازمة الخليج والغلاء وكلنا بنتذكر شو صار الوضع بالاردن بعد ما اجى اكثر من 500 ال٠على الاردن , يعني السكر صار بكابونات , والشوارع والسيارات صار Øسب الارقام Ùردي وزوجي
*اما الاثار السياسية واثارة النعرات Ùˆ تهديد الاردن وامنه واستقراره داخليا Ùهذا اللي عمرنا ما Ø±Ø§Ø Ù†Ù†Ø³Ø§Ù‡
واكيد الكل متذكر اØداث ايلول الابيض ,لما رÙعت العصابات الرديÙØ© للعصابات الصهيونية Ø§Ù„Ø³Ù„Ø§Ø ÙÙŠ وجه الشعب وغيرو عدوهم من اليهود الى الشعب الاردني ,واصبخوا يقاتلون ÙÙŠ شواره الاردن بدلا من الØدود مع اسرائيل Ùˆ Ø§ØµØ¨Ø Ø§Ù„Ù…ÙˆØ§Ø·Ù† لا يستطيع Øتى ان يمشي ÙÙŠ الشارع بدون اذنهم ÙˆØ§ØµØ¨Ø Ø§Ù„ØµØ¹Ù„ÙˆÙƒ يطلق على Ù†Ùسه اسم Ùدائي ويعطي Ù†Ùسه الØÙ‚ ÙÙŠ سلب الاخرين والبلطجة
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والله لو بدي اذكركل الاثار السلبية ما خلصت كتابة قبل اسبوع
to Alurduiaalhurr : man why you put words on my mouth !
i never talk about orgin , and i dont care what is ur orgin if ur from salt or nablus or india its same for me !
am talking about loving the country and to be loyal to jordan.
second why u keep changing the topic ? if u want to talk about historical view and creat ur own story , then plzz write it as a separate article , plzz dont confuse things ,the one who said
“Palestinians built Amman from the ground up. you East Bankers have a lot to learn. ”
is not the king , he is a sick person as you .
finaly i will say to you and to others who think as u think :
الموضوع ببساطة وصراØØ© انو انتو عندكو عقدة Ù†Ùسية وشعور بالنقص ,وهذا سبب عدم تØكيم العقل والمنطق ,وسبب ظهور التناقض الكلي , Ùمثلا تاتي وتقول الشعب الاردني Ùˆ الÙلسطيني شعب واØد وبنÙس الوقت بتقول الÙلسطنين هم اللي بنوا الاردن ولولاههم لكان عبارة عن البدو
بعدين ممكن اسالك سؤال ,ويا ريت تجاوبني عليه ,على Øسب تÙكير امثالك Ùان العراقيون هم الذين بنوا الاردن Ùهم جائوا باموالهم الي الاردن بينما الÙلسطنيون جائوا نازØين وهم Ùئة متعلمة بالاغلب تعليم عالي ولا يوجد مقارنة بينهم وبين النازØين الذين جائوا ÙÙŠ الاربعينيات والستينات ,Ùمعظمهم كانوا Ùئة قروية وغير متعلمة وجاهلة , وتعلم اولا دهم لاØقا ÙÙŠ الاردن
ولا ننسى ان الاردن لم يدعم العراقيين الموجودين ÙÙŠ الاردن باي Øال ,بعكس الÙلسطنيون الذين ما زالوا يعيشون ÙÙŠ مخيمات مستأجرة من اصØابها الاردنين الذين تماطلهم الØكومة من 60 عام باسم دعم الا جئين
وغيره الكثيرون , انا عقدت المقارنة هون لاني سمعت من اكثر من عراقي يقول ان العراقيون هم من بنوا الاردن
وبهتوا على الاردن ,والله سمعت مرة من مصري
يعني شو هل القر٠!
مرة العراقيين ومرة الÙلسطنين ومرة المصريين وبكرة مش بعيد الصنين وغيرهم ,والكل Ù…Øمل الاردن جميلة , يا اخي لو الاردن الو لسان كان قال Ùكوا عن طيزي قرÙت منكو
هذا الكلام غير موجه الى الÙلسطنين والعراقيين والمصريين , ولكنه موجه الى كل مريض Ù†Ùسي لانو الاردن بكÙيه اللي Ùيه ومش ذنبوا يتØمل عاهات الاخرين
على كل Øال الله يشÙيك ويشÙÙŠ امثالك لانو جد انتو عندكو مرض Ù†Ùسي وعقدة نقص مستÙØلة
اعتذر على لغتي ,ولكن Øبيت اØكي بصراØØ© وباللÙØ© التي لا ÙŠÙهم البعض غيرها
مين عار٠ممكن تزبط
Letter From Jordan: Kingdom of Corruption ..Poetry as political manifesto has a long history in the Arab world. The Prophet Mohammed frequently won over converts to Islam with elegant recitals. Caliphs often deployed serrated verses from their court poet to undermine rivals. So in January, when revered Jordanian poet Haider Mahmoud wrote a thinly veiled ode to King Abdullah II warning him about deepening corruption in the Hashemite Kingdom, the palace quickly went to work–on him.
Mahmoud was attacked in Jordan’s state-controlled press as a traitor, and his son was pressured into resigning his position at the foreign ministry. Jordan’s then-prime minister, Faisal al-Fayez, ordered the mayor of Amman to fire Mahmoud as general director of the city’s cultural center. (Faisal backed off after learning the position was unpaid, but Mahmoud resigned anyway.) The offending poem–titled “Saray,” a Turkish word for “the palace,” but also “the sultan”–became known to Jordanians only after it appeared in a London-based Arabic-language newspaper because no local publisher would touch it. You can link here and read the whole peice By Stephen Glain.
First of all ,Iam more Jordanian than you are,just because i criticised the Hashamites and their sinister history coupled with the dealing and wheeling behind the Arabs backs with criminal and racist Zionist entity,that does not make me anti “Jordan” or “Jordanian”,Second,My family came from Al Salt and my family tree extend to 100s of years in Wadi Sh3eeb,third you should be ashamed of yourself for gloryfying massacres of our Palestinians brothers and sisters in Black septemper,in 1970 in Zarqa, King Hussein St,I witnessed while looking from my family’s window,Jordanian Army tanks crushing Innocent civilians to death while laughing at corpse. fifth,What’s wrong with refugees seem have lots of anger and bigotry toward poor people and I really don’t think you know what it means to be a refugee.Sixth,Jordanians are Palestinians and Palestinians are Jordanians whether you like it or not,this is just a historical facts you will never be able to deny or hide like your Hashemite who are trying hard to use the imperial policy that they learned from their British masters to divide and rule .Seventh,the books you are reading on Microeconomics just throw them out of your window,they are obsolete, they are no good.you are learning a theory,that will never be approved or applied except in the minds of people like you.Eighth ,”development” what development you are talking about,the polution,corruption, nepotism ,Wasta ,mismanagement of public funds and land grap,and here is an example. Letter From Jordan: Kingdom of Corruption
bloody palestinians, so sick of their vacuous rhetoric. To begin with how is it that you can so readily define the term “build”. What does that mean? Does that entail physical participating in the construction over the past century? Does it mean providing a capital base for construction? Or overall capital for development? So confused by the term “built”.
Maybe you mean the Palestinian so called “refugeeS” provided all the necessary elements for urban and societal development. Well, a quick glance into my undergraduate macro-economics books says that the sudden influxes of population would have a negative impact on the rate of growth as per the Solow Growth model. Perhpas that is why Jordan has been economically challenged for so long, because we have to act as a giant receptacle to the world’s less fortunate.
Furthermore, I don’t really buy the argument that the majority of these Palestinians were forcibly moved. Yes a large number were forced from their homes but I believe the majority chose to move rather than live in an Israeli state. If they hadn’t moved to begin with (i.e. not been cowards) perhpas there would be more Arab-Israelis today in Israel creating a strong enough parliamentary bloc that would have ended Arab-Israeli tensions.
Also, I think a very large number of Palestinians willingly sold their property to Foregin jewish migrants. A lot of them are now crying about it.
As a Jordanian I am fed up with having to hear about poor Palestinians and their bloody diaspora and how they made life better for us poor stupid bedouins. If anything I wish they would show some semblence of appreciation or gratitude for being the only country to give them citizenship. We should have kept them in camps with no citizenship rights just like the Syrians and Lebanese did.
Plus if you want to engage in that sort of generalizations I see that wherever Palestinians have gone they’ve caused civil unrest from Jordan (Black September, I resent that name I think we should rename it glorious September in honour of crushing the various Criminal/terrorist palestinian factions) to the Lebanese civil war to Tunis.
Alurduniaalhurr: ” don’t you think poor exploited Egyptians should get the credit for building Jordan and when you say “we” what do you mean by that? ”
my friend when the egyptions came to jordan and built our homes ,streets,…they came here to work for mony only and we pay them thier mony, but if u say to anyone of them “work for freee,then he will not do, simply he dont care about ur home or ur country ,he care only for his pay, he dont care to build or devlop jordan and he dont feel that he have to,and its not his problem, and thats ok with me because he is not jordanian and jordan is not his home, anyway he work and we pay him and say to him thanks! i think its fair enough and they get thier credit.
– “as long as we have 3 Serilankan “maids”(Slaves) in our home,we can build “the best”.Hassan ,my advise to you ,just keep singing hashmi hashmi,maybe we can build “the best”.
Plzzz man , who say that i agree with bringing the others from outside! who say we have to sleep and dream !
am saying that we should wakeup now and love our country more ,and devlop it to make it the best country , i mean by work not by dreaming .
lastly i like to sing
” اردن ارض العزم ”
more than singing hashmi hashmi
all what am trying to say that we have to love our country more and give it more, and work for it!
tell me , do u think that am asking you to do wrong thing ?
if you feeel that its wrong then i tell u frankly that you are not jordanian.
“i think its we should continue to build our country and developing it untill jordan become the best arabic or even the best country in the world, why not!”hassan,I just have one question for you,hassan ,don’t you think poor exploited Egyptians should get the credit for building Jordan and when you say “we” what do you mean by that?. Certainly,Hassan as long as we have slave labor laws,we will be able to build “The best” on the backs of others,as long as we have 3 Serilankan “maids”(Slaves) in our home,we can build “the best”.Hassan ,my advise to you ,just keep singing hashmi hashmi,maybe we can build “the best”.
Fairfax and anyone who think in the same way Mr Fairfax think are just sucks .
i dont have anyother thing to say except that, we should not waste our time to reply or explain to those people who think like Fairfax, i think its we should continue to build our country and developing it untill jordan become the best arabic or even the best country in the world, why not!
its our right to dream and try to make it, and also this will be teasing for sure someother sick people as Fairfax
God Bless jordan
Hi Natasha,
Please take the time to Vote for the five greatest Jordanians of all time.
http://7aki-fadi.blogspot.com/2007/02/nominate-best-five-jordanians.html
It’s a shame that most people don’t know the greatest Jordanians, so this is an attempt at it.
And please spread the word.
Thanks 🙂
Palestenians came to Jordan because they had no other choice, but Jordan offered them this choice, most other Arab countries did not, and not a single Arab country have stood by Plaestenians like Jordan did.
IF you look at the whole area in general, Jordan and Palestine should have been one country , in general, maybe take one piece here or there, I don’t know how th debate about who has built Jordan started, but I assume that Jordanians of Palestenian origin are Jordanians too, so Jordanians built Jordan.
Arabi…. I know it sucks when you renew your passport and you face something that many other Jordanians do not face, but it’s about your right to return back if Palestine one day, althought the way it is done id frequently uncivilized.