I really do not understand why, in this day and time, there are some people that are still hung up on the issue of East Bankers vs. West Bankers. I’m talking about a comment I received yesterday by someone calling themselves "Fairfax Boy." Here is Fairfax Boy’s contribution to the discussion about Amman’s urban development.
Palestinians built Amman from the ground up. you East Bankers have a lot to learn.
Will we ever evolve beyond this endless and pointless argument? Geez!
Old and boring topic….
Until when we will keep talking about meaningless things!
Jordanians built jordan .
all jordanians from all the orgins(east bank,west bank,syrian,lebanese, dooz,Sharkus and sheshan…..)
plzz guys cheez up .
we all love and belong to jordan .
God Bless jordan and the King .
Jordan First
Habibi alurdunialhurr ,
first, wallahi i checked ur source about the water lack in jordan, and it does not give any new information, we all know that isreal steal the water from jordan and syria and lebanon and plastinians, aslo we all know that the jordan river have a natural problem cause lack of raining ,…. but that still did not change the simple fact i told u, its very simple , if jordan population is 3 milon for sure the problem will be differant and every jordanian will have more water to use, and if jordan population is 10 milon then the problem will be bigger.
second, i have a big problem to discuss with you , you keep jumping and scatter the points here and there
, am asking u simply, plzzz for god sack answer me!
who said that “Palestinians built Amman from the ground up. you East Bankers have a lot to learn.” ? the king or faxboy? , and who is reply to him ?me or the king?
now this is the topic that we discuse here!
who built jordan?
about the sirlakian workers , if u aske me my opnion then i will say i prefer that those maids not alowd to enter the country to work in jordan, another thing am more intrested to discusse about the jordanian workers who earn less than 100 JD on a month, those are jordanians and thier problem related to me more than the sirlakians,but i still dont accept to deal with maids or any workers as slaves, they should take thier right .
third , as long you make us forget about the topic , which is “who built jordan”?
am giving the answer again to you, only jordanians are the one who built jordan.
who is the jordanians ? jordanians are the people who have jordanian nationality and they feel that they belong to the country and that jordan is thier land.
also kuwaitese who built kuwait.
Saudi’ese who bult SA.
…….
and the jordanian and palstinians are a workers there they get thier pays, so they get thier own rights, and they should repect the rules in the countrys they work , and those countrys have the right to kick those workers out of the country if did not show a respect to the country , same as kuwait did in 1991.
i hope i make it more clear 2 you now .
about ur opinon on me ” racist “, its ur right think what u want , but i think ur the racist and sick of lack … as Faxboy.
There are some annoying misconceptions concerning the relationship between East and West bankers. Even when some West Bankers want to express gratitude, they commit historical errors in the process. NO ONE JORDANIAN EXPRESSES GRATITUDET BECAUSE HE IS A JORDANIAN, and just as a Salti or Irbidi does not thank Ammanis for allowing him to be here, a Nabulsi or Khalili is as Jordanian as a Salti or Irbidi.
THE WEST BANK WAS JORDAN. A Nabulsi who lives in Amman or Zarqa is not different than A Salti living in Amman or Zarqa. Just because the late king decided, without a referendum, to abandon the West Bank, that does not magically transform once-jordanian citizens from the West Bank into guests in their iwn country JORDAN. No such thing as retroactively dissociative citizenships. But in the Arab world, all sorts of bizarre things are known to happen, from hereditary republics, to family owned political parties.
Now, for Gazan and 48 Palestinians, that’s a different story for obvious reasons. but at the end, anyone with a Jordanian citizenship is a Jordanians. We are not better than the US or France.
and lastly
u call me racist cause am saying that jordanians are the one who built jordan , if saying that make me racist then let it be.
and one thing i like to say to u, u and the people thinking as you the racist .
saying that the jordains only who built jordan , is the right statement .
so if anyone who feel that he belong to jordan then he can say that he is jordanian, anyother one who even build a home or buzness but he dont feel that he belong and he is jordanian ,then he is just a worker same as egyptions and sirlakians,… who get thier pay for thier .
بالنسبة للاثار السلبية لمجىء الÙلسطنين الى الاردن , هاي واضØØ© وما بدها عبقرية
يعني مثلا لو سكان الاردن اليوم كان 3 مليون بدل 5.5 مليون ,ÙÙŠ عندك شك انو كانت انØلت المشكلة المائية؟
وعلى كل Øال Ø±Ø§Ø Ø²ÙŠ ما قلت من قبل لو بدي اذكر كل الاثار السلبية ما خلصت من اسبوع
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بالنسبة للجوازات الاردنية ,مين بتقصد؟
ÙÙŠ اردني انسØب منو الجواز ظلم؟
الÙلسطنين ÙÙŠ الاردن اخذا الجنسية والجوازات بمكرمة ملكية بهد ÙÙƒ الارتباط عام 1988
وجامعة الجول العربية Ùˆ منظمة التØرير الÙلسطنية طالبت الاردن بعد ÙÙƒ الارتباط بان يكون شامل ,وبسØب الجوازات الاردنية من اهل الضÙØ© باعتبار انهم Ùلسطنين ,
ولكن اصدر اللملك قرار بمنØهم جوازات سÙر اردنية مؤقتة تجدد كل 5 سنوات ,وللعلم ÙÙŠ دول عربية هاجمت الاردن بسبب القرار .
واليوم الÙلسظنين اللي ÙÙŠ الصÙØ© اللي انسØبت منهم الجنسبة ,تم هذا بطلب والØØ§Ø Ù…Ù† منظمة التØرير ,Ùكل Ùلسطيني يريد جواز سÙر Ùلسطيني Ùانم يطالبوه بالتخلي عن الØواز الاردني
وبالطبع المعظم يرÙض , ويستغني عن الØواز الÙلسطيني , واخر تقارير بتقول انو 80 بالمية من Ùلسطيني السلطة ÙŠØملمون الجواز الاردني ولم يطالبوا بالجواز الÙلسطيني ,وعشان هيك Ùيه هبئة اردنية Ùلسطينية تشكلت بطلب من السلكة الÙلسطنية لترتيب الامور
والبدء بسØب الجنسية من الÙلسطنين ÙÙŠ الضÙØ© الذين ÙŠØملون رقم وطني اردني
والمرØلة الثانية هي سØب جمبع الجوازات الاردنية من الÙلسطنين الموجودين ÙÙŠ الضقة قبل اعلان الدولة الÙلسطنية واستبدالها بØوازات Ùلسطنية
واذا بتØب اي معلومات زيادة ,انا مستعد ازودك Ùيها بالوثائق والقرارات الÙلسطنية الصادرة من السلطة
لكن السؤال هو ماذا سو٠يكون موق٠الÙلسطنيون؟
انا عار٠موقÙهم Ù…Ùدما وكلمو عارÙين
alurduniaalhurr ,first plzz provide me anything that prove ur story about the pak people who get the nationality, or just dont keep creat things.
second , i did not attack palstinians or say anything wrong aginest them, am telling you what i belive and think, when i say the most pal people run away from thier country,i mean it !
lastly new programs on aljazeera and report open this file ,and told us what happend exactly in 1948,and 1967, its true some criminals as Hagana attack palstinians and kick them out of pal, but that was a minority , less that 5% , while the other leave with thier own choice cause they are scared , israel use the advertizing ,example ,they did deer yaseen crim , and advertize it,and most of the arab radia help stations help them in a stupid way, espicaly radio el Qudos, that what make the palstinians run a way from thier vilge while the jewish was still far from them .
another point , ur keeping talking about the king and goverment, dear alurdniaaalhurr , when did i defend about them?
i belive that goverments go and come,even kings ,while jordan stay, for me i only have one praiority and its jordan.
i dont have any problem with palstinians, even 3 of my sisters maried to jordanian plastinians, but i have a problems with anyone who could hurt jordan, as the terorists did on 1970 “white sept” , and as some guys do when they live and get passports and get educated and….. in this country and after that they insult the country which give them everything while they give to her hate.
this discussion will never end, untill we feel that al jordanians loyal to jordan .
ولو يا زلمة.. هل هناك Ùائض ÙÙ‰ جوازات السÙر الأردنية Øتى نمنØها للباكستانيين والكوريين والسيرلانكيين، ونØجبها عن (أردنيين) ولدوا ÙÙ‰ الأردن قبل وصول الملك عبد الله هارباً من السعودية !!
ثم ان الجنسيات ØªÙ…Ù†Ø ÙÙ‰ كل دول العالم لمن يستØقها من الأجانب استنادا الى أرضية تعود بالÙائدة على الدولة، كأن يكون الأجنبى مستثمرا أو عالماً أو ØرÙياً ماهرا أو طبيبا، Ùما الأرضية التى استندت اليها وزارة الداخلية الأردنية Ù„Ù…Ù†Ø Ø§Ù„Ø¨Ø§ÙƒØ³ØªØ§Ù†ÙŠÙŠÙ† المذكورين الجنسية الاردنية ØŸ! لمجرد ان زوجة ولي العهد مدام ثروت باكستانية .
كلنا نعلم ان الباكستانيين ÙÙ‰ الأردن يعملون ÙÙ‰ مهنتين Ùقط: الأولى وهى مهنة مطلوب (Ø´Øاذ)(الشØادة) ÙÙ‰ الشوارع والطرقات.. والثانية هي مهنة جمع الزبالة وتنظي٠المراØيض ÙÙ‰ بلديات عمان والزرقاء واربد.
هل امØلت بلادنا من الشØادين – ونسبة البطالة ÙÙ‰ الأردن بلغت 40 بالمئة – Øتى نستورد Ø´Øادين من الدول الشقيقة ونمنØهم جوازات السÙر والجنسيات !!
اذا كان لابد من توزيع جوازات السÙر على الواÙدين الى الأردن (من جنب وطرÙ) Ùالأولى أن ØªÙ…Ù†Ø Ù‡Ø°Ù‡ الجوازات لأكثر من مليون عربى (من Ùلسطينيين وعراقيين ومصريين ولبنانيين) يقيمون ÙÙ‰ الأردن ويعملون ÙÙ‰ مهن Ù…Øترمة ليس بينها (الشØادة)
طلوب (Ø´Øاذ)
بعثت لأستاذى الدكتور عبد السلام المجالى (أبو سامر) رئيس الورزاء الأردنى ببرقية تهنئة عقب تعيينه رئيسا للوزراء، وذيلت البرقية ببعض الهموم التى نعانى منها كأردنيين ÙÙ‰ أمريكا، أهمها ان جوازات سÙرنا تذهب الى السÙارة للتجديد ولا تعود وأطرÙها ان المخابرات الأردنية شطبت على (الامن) ÙÙ‰ الأردن Ùجاءت الى أمريكا لمطاردة الأردنيين والتشهير بهم.
وهذه ليست المرة الأولى التى Ø£Ø·Ø±Ø Ùيها على أستاذنا المجالى مثل هذه المشكلات، ÙÙÙ‰ مطلع السبعينات كنت على رأس الوÙد الطلابى الذى قابله لمناقشة قراره بمضاعÙØ© أقساط الجامعة الأردنية خمس مرات (وكان يومها رئيسا للجامعة) ÙˆÙÙ‰ مطلع التسعينات تبادلت معه دردشة سريعة Øول قضايا مماثلة يوم التقيته على ناصية شارع Bissonett ÙÙ‰ هيوستون وكان برÙقته عبد الهادى المجالى وعبد الØÙ‰ المجالى وعبد الوهاب وكان الثلاثة يلبسون شورطات مضØكة على اعتبار انهم ÙÙŠ امريكا – وما Øدا شاي٠– ويراÙقهم طبعا والقنصل الأردنى ÙÙ‰ هيوستون ورجل الاعمال الاردني المقيم ÙÙŠ امريكا عصام المعايطة .
لكن الÙاكس الذى طيرته له يوم أمس ÙŠØمل – هذه المرة – نبرة (Øادة) ليس لأن علاقتى به (Ùرطت) لا Ø³Ù…Ø Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ وإنما لأن الخبر الذى تناقلته وكالات الأنباء من الأردن (Ùزرنى) ولم أجد من (Ø£ÙØ´) غلي Ùيه الا أستاذنا المجالى، على الأقل لأنى أعلم انه سيقبل نقدى له – كعادته – بصدر رØب.
والخبر الذى بثته وكالة الأنباء الÙرنسية من عمان يقول ان وزارة الداخلية الأردنية قررت Ù…Ù†Ø Ø§Ù„Ø¬Ù†Ø³ÙŠØ© الأردنية لثلاثة آلا٠باكستانى يقميون بشكل غير شرعى ÙÙ‰ الأردن منذ عام 1975Ù….
قلت ÙÙ‰ الرسالة.. ولو يا زلمة .. هل يعقل أن تسØب وزارة الداخلية الأردنية الجنسية من عشرات الآلا٠من الÙلسطينيين – واكثرهم من مواليد الأردن – لتمنØها لباكستانيين دخلوا البلاد سراً وأقاموا Ùيها بشكل غير شرعى منذ عام 1975Ù…. وكلهم يعملون اما ÙÙŠ الشØادة … او ÙÙŠ مهنة لم القمامة ” الزبالة ” .
“”الازمة المائة الØادة ÙÙŠ الاردن ,واللي الاردن بنÙÙ‚ 15% من ميزانيتو على مشاريع المياه ولو لم ياتي الÙلسطنيون Ù„Ø§ØµØ¨Ø Ø¹Ù†Ø¯ الاردن Ùائض مائي
* اسنهلاك موارد البلد , صØÙŠØ Ø§Ù†Ùˆ الاردن Ùقير بموارده ولكن هاي الموارد تكÙÙŠ وتزيد للشعب لو لم ياتي الÙلسطنين , وبكÙÙŠ اقلك انو Ù…ØاÙظة اربد كانت على الدوام تجد صعوبة ÙÙŠ تصري٠مØاصيل Ø§Ù„Ù‚Ù…Ø ÙˆØ§Ù„Ø¨Ù‚ÙˆÙ„ÙŠØ§Øª لانها زائدة عن الØاجة والاستهلاك ولذلك كان يذهبون “بيعها ÙÙŠ سوريا ÙˆÙلسطين وبقيوا كذلك Øتى الاربيعينات
hassan march 6 2007
First of all,Palestinians didn’t come to Jordan,they were ethnically cleansed by the Zionist terrorist gangs like the Hagana and Ergune who were headed by people like Manahem Bagain ,Yatzhak Shamir and Sharon,
Again on the problem of water you were wrongThis dispute is an inter-state one since not only Israel and Jordan have attempted to control the river, but other parties, such as Syria and the Palestinians, have also taken part in trying to control sections of the river. Israeli and Jordanian attempts to control the river were illustrated by several different constructions such as the King Talal dam, built by the Jordanians, and the National Water Carrier, built by the Israelis. These attempts led to reactions that often were followed by militant attacks. The Israeli War of Independence in 1948 and the Six-Day War in 1967 highlight this dispute as a ‘war threat’ conflict, in which the need for water often encouraged actual war between states.
. The water problem is much more complicated than your simplified , narrow and racist reasoning. Again you were wrong.so please hassan before you open your mouth,do some research,that will be helpful ,don’t you think.
Natasha, anyone can post divisive comments and use whatever name. even if there is still people who think like this, they are in the minority and do not represent the thinking of neither the liberal intelligentsia nor the nationalists or the islamists, the three are united by ideology and the three form the majority of Arabs. the east vs west crowds reflect an immature and underdeveloped political thinking. Cause of all the arab countries, the Jordanians and the palestinains have almost zero cultural differences at the present time. May be in the past you could pick out the differences, but due to constant intermarriages and long-term cohabitation, the only differences that remain today are political and artificially nurtured by the political establishment which finds security in such divisions .